In message <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0304171226520.18796-100000@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu>,Je ffrey Hutzelman writes: >To reiterate... Don't conflate PAG's with process groups; they do which i did. sorry about that blind path. i will go back to thinking about this again. very few things are preserved across fork() and calling setsid() gets right of half of them.