is there any way to run pts removeuser filename group where filename has a list of users to remove from a group? (a simple shell script would work I guess if one exists) -- David Bear phone: 480-965-8257 fax: 480-965-9189 College of Public Programs/ASU Wilson Hall 232 Tempe, AZ 85287-0803 "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing"