[OpenAFS-win32-devel] New hidden file options on Windows....
Jeffrey Altman
jaltman@columbia.edu
Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:30:08 -0500
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Rodney M Dyer wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> At 11:39 PM 3/30/2004, you wrote:
>
>> The reason this option is set by a registry option is so that you can
>> turn it off if the
>> user does not like it.
>
>
> Except that it isn't per-user, it's a global setting. The onus is on
> me to decide for the majority of my users what they might want. Can
> this setting be made per-user????
This is a global setting because the translation from dot-file to hidden
attribute must be performed as part of the RX to SMB translation. In an
IFS, this would be set within the kernel. There is no knowledge of who
the file is for at that layer; nor should there be.
The manager of each institution would need to decide for their users if
s/he does not like the default setting.
>> I personally do like it because AFS directory
>> trees are Unix; just like
>> they are on NFS. I would be very interested in seeing what all the many
>> NFS clients for
>> Windows do in this case.
>
>
> I just tried an old DOS NFS client (I don't have a XP machine with NFS
> client installed).
>
> * The client will not allow you to change the attribute of an
> existing dotted file.
> * The client will allow attrib +h to be run on an existing non-dotted
> file with no effect (no error).
> * It does hide the dotted files just like the new AFS client "if"
> they already exist.
> * It does not allow you to create a dotted file from DOS.
That last behavior is interesting. I would not want to enforce that
however I can understand why it might be necessary. A file is created
by a program and then appears to disappear on it. Many programs which
are poorly written might be fairly confused by that.
>
> Rodney
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<font face="Bitstream Cyberbit">Rodney M Dyer wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid6.0.0.22.0.20040331101305.01c95000@email.uncc.edu"
type="cite"><font face="Bitstream Cyberbit">Jeff,
<br>
<br>
At 11:39 PM 3/30/2004, you wrote:
<br>
</font>
<blockquote type="cite"><font face="Bitstream Cyberbit">The reason
this option is set by a registry option is so that you can
<br>
turn it off if the
<br>
user does not like it.
<br>
</font></blockquote>
<font face="Bitstream Cyberbit"><br>
Except that it isn't per-user, it's a global setting. The onus is on
me to decide for the majority of my users what they might want. Can
this setting be made per-user????
<br>
</font></blockquote>
<br>
This is a global setting because the translation from dot-file to
hidden attribute must be performed as part of the RX to SMB
translation. In an IFS, this would be set within the kernel. There is
no knowledge of who the file is for at that layer; nor should there be.<br>
<br>
The manager of each institution would need to decide for their users if
s/he does not like the default setting.<br>
<font face="Bitstream Cyberbit"><br>
</font>
<blockquote cite="mid6.0.0.22.0.20040331101305.01c95000@email.uncc.edu"
type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><font face="Bitstream Cyberbit"> I
personally do like it because AFS directory
<br>
trees are Unix; just like
<br>
they are on NFS. I would be very interested in seeing what all the
many
<br>
NFS clients for
<br>
Windows do in this case.
<br>
</font></blockquote>
<font face="Bitstream Cyberbit"><br>
I just tried an old DOS NFS client (I don't have a XP machine with NFS
client installed).
<br>
<br>
* The client will not allow you to change the attribute of an existing
dotted file.
<br>
* The client will allow attrib +h to be run on an existing non-dotted
file with no effect (no error).
<br>
* It does hide the dotted files just like the new AFS client "if" they
already exist.
<br>
* It does not allow you to create a dotted file from DOS.
<br>
</font></blockquote>
That last behavior is interesting. I would not want to enforce that
however I can understand why it might be necessary. A file is created
by a program and then appears to disappear on it. Many programs which
are poorly written might be fairly confused by that.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid6.0.0.22.0.20040331101305.01c95000@email.uncc.edu"
type="cite"><font face="Bitstream Cyberbit"><br>
Rodney </font>
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