[Foundation-discuss] Access to facts and officially recorded decisions?
Daria Phoebe Brashear
dariaphoebe@your-file-system.com
Fri, 22 Apr 2016 23:52:13 -0400
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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:11 AM, E. Margarete Ziemer <
emziemer@sinenomine.net> wrote:
> Good morning, Jeff (and everybody),
>
> Your email from last night is rich in arguments and claims, too many to
> discuss in one sitting. However, you mention events and facts I would li=
ke
> to understand comprehensively. Therefore, would you please point me/all =
of
> us to the links where decisions you mentioned were recorded at the time a=
nd
> (hopefully) communicated to the general OpenAFS community? With Your Big
> Birthday coming this weekend (congratulations and best wishes, Jeff!), I =
am
> thinking you could either reply with the links to records or ask somebody
> else to collect them for you so that you can more easily link them?
> Delegation of the task is no issue for me, so getting these links to
> records within the week should be feasible. But should be the one sendin=
g
> them, as you argued that you are the only remaining Gatekeeper, you were
> present, and you have seen the sources, and as it is important to me to g=
et
> a complete and correct set of documents onto my desk. Blame it on my
> having five advanced degrees: once a scholar, always go back to the sourc=
es
> :-) Thank you very much.
>
> Specifically, I am hoping you will direct me/us to the direct links for
> the following:
>
>
> 1. The records for the Council of Elders having legally become =E2=80=
=9Can
> unincorporated Association on 26 October 2000.=E2=80=9D This should i=
nclude the
> state of the Association=E2=80=99s creation, and where and when those =
documents
> were filed, plus when and accepted by which authorities.
>
>
The whole point of an "unincorporated association" is it's a thing you do
by ... associating, not by filing something. So it's empirically true.
We associated. The records are "the people who associated, associated".
>
> 1. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community the
> =E2=80=9Cdocument that served as the Charter for OpenAFS=E2=80=9D, no =
additional reference
> offered in your email, and from which you were quoting in your reply.
>
>
It exists somewhere. I wrote it. I can look around, but, no promises. It
was patterned upon the model of the "Cartel", which started as a group of 4
Kerberos- and AFS- using schools (CMU, Michigan, MIT, Stanford), expanded
to include Cornell and then UWash, and then Duke, and then contracted over
time... and I attempted to learn from their mistakes. I failed. I was
wrong. I apologized for this publicly. But that charter certainly exists.
>
> 1. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything
> pertaining to =E2=80=9CJanuary 26th 2006 when the Council of Elders vo=
ted to
> reorganize itself.=E2=80=9D
>
>
normally i would say "I am not your google" (this was the first hit, so you
could have felt lucky and found it yourself) but i'm feeling charitable for
some foolish reason.
https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-announce/2006/000136.html
>
> 1. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything
> pertaining to Ben Kaduk =E2=80=9Ca Guardian appointed by the Gatekeepe=
rs before
> Daria=E2=80=99s resignation.=E2=80=9D This should include definition =
of =E2=80=9CGuardian=E2=80=99s=E2=80=9D role
> (privileges and responsibilities), who participated in making the
> appointment, and who (if any) voted against it.
>
> this is probably the weakest one. i'm unsure these notes exist.
>
> 1. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything
> pertaining your petition to step down as an Elder (as you mentioned) t=
o the
> Council of Elders, and the Council having accepted your and/or anybody
> else=E2=80=99s resignation as Elder, as applicable. Plus when and how=
the Council
> of Elders reported this to the Gatekeepers, and when the Gatekeepers
> accepted your resignation as Elder; this should list the names of the
> Gatekeepers who voted plus their voting decisions, to record 2/3 major=
ity
> decision among the Gatekeepers.
>
>
this isn't mine to comment on, but, the next is related. see below.
>
> 1. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything
> pertaining Daria=E2=80=99s petition to the Gatekeepers to step down as=
a Gatekeeper
> (and Elder, if applicable); this should list the names of the Gatekeep=
ers
> who voted plus their voting decisions, to record 2/3 majority decision
> among the Gatekeepers.
>
>
it wasn't a petition. i was being paid nothing. no one was given a choice.
i am an autonomous individual, apparently one whose work was valued so
poorly that i was assumed to be an automaton to be commanded, at least what
i gather from the tone here.
>
> 1. A census which pieces of OpenAFS code, including 1.6 and 1.8 and
> Main branches,
>
>
everything's in git. it's all at MIT, currently.
>
> 1. currently reside where, and who owns the infrastructure. This
> should include contact information for a contact person and/or
> administrator at MIT and other organizations if applicable. What are =
the
> terms of the agreement between OpenAFS and the host(s)? When and wher=
e was
> that published for the OpenAFS community?
>
>
see below
>
> 1. All records documenting the role (privileges and responsibilities)
> of individuals who have hosted code and/or administered it. This shou=
ld
> include where decision authority and/or action requests were defined t=
o be
> located. What are the terms of the agreement between OpenAFS and the
> administrators? When and where was that published for the OpenAFS
> community?
>
>
When you have $0 to spend on things, when someone steps up and builds tools
to host things, you let them do it. The price is right.
>
> 1. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything
> pertaining to the funds contributed to the Council of Elders in 2003 b=
y
> three institutions. Is there anything beyond the press release you
> mentioned in your reply? Who was on the Council at that time? Who
> administered those funds and what happened to them?
>
> They were delivered to the organizations which employed the gatekeepers
and used to defray the salaries of those people. Me, Garry and Jim Rees, as
I recall; I think Russ came later.
>
> 1. All records for any communication with any government agencies,
> including but not limited to the State of the Unincorporated Associati=
on=E2=80=9D
> of 2000, and on the Federal level, the IRS?
>
>
See above.
>
> Beyond these items to which you explicitly or implicitly referred in
> yesterday=E2=80=99s reply, I would like
>
I'd like a pony.
Your questions assume a lot of formal structure that didn't exist, which
was the point of the foundation needing to exist.
You got a horse and now you ask about the cart. There was no cart. People
were hauling shit in bags on their backs.
My back has a crook in it from that which I will bear forever, and I resent
the implications of malfeasance that I feel is thinly-veiled here.
> for you to point me/us to:
>
> - All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community any
> information/resolutions/official filings etc about other organizations=
that
> were and/or are part of and/or related to OpenAFS.
>
> Workshop committee had workshops which spoke about AFS, but had no
official affiliation with the Elders and is under no obligation should they
(we, I guess I never resigned that) choose not to answer things, to do so.
>
> - One example I know of is the Kerberos and OpenAFS BPW Committee.
> Are there others? Alternatively, please jot down contact info for a
> representative of said organization(s) and/or committee(s) authorized =
to
> answer this; I will be happy to approach them directly and save you th=
e
> work.
>
>
> I want to do right by the OpenAFS community and the legacy of the OpenAFS
> technology. To that end, this information is critical, and I venture a
> guess that others may want to do some reading-up as well. Since you are t=
he
> only active Gatekeeper, you appear to be the obvious person to be able to
> help me out. Should anything else occur to me at a later time, I will
> email again. Thank you in advance, Jeff.
>
I'm certainly a person who has some of this, and I don't actually know how
much of it exists outside the various Elders and/or Gatekeepers mailbox. If
you want it, I'll share what I have as I find it, but it's hardly a high
priority for me right now. With an impending divorce and the run-up to
surgery that's in doubt, my life is rather crammed with stuff just now.
if you want to get a drink(*) with me and ask things, i'm perfectly willing
to be frank. but i can say the tone of this email has me rather on edge.
* - probably tea, or maybe a milkshake. i've not really been having much
alcohol these days, and i am a lightweight anymore anyway.
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Daria Phoebe Brashear
AuriStor, Inc
dariaphoebe.com
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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:11 AM, E. Margarete Ziemer <span dir=3D"ltr"><=
;<a href=3D"mailto:emziemer@sinenomine.net" target=3D"_blank">emziemer@sine=
nomine.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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<div>Good morning, Jeff (and everybody),</div>
</div>
</div>
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ily:Calibri,sans-serif">
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<div>Your email from last night is rich in arguments and claims, too many t=
o discuss in one sitting.=C2=A0 However, you mention events and facts I wou=
ld like to understand comprehensively.=C2=A0 Therefore, would you please po=
int me/all of us to the links where
decisions you mentioned were recorded at the time and (hopefully) communic=
ated to the general OpenAFS community?=C2=A0 With Your Big Birthday coming =
this weekend (congratulations and best wishes, Jeff!), I am thinking you co=
uld either reply with the links to records
or ask somebody else to collect them for you so that you can more easily l=
ink them?=C2=A0 Delegation of the task is no issue for me, so getting these=
links to records within the week should be feasible.=C2=A0 But should be t=
he one sending them, as you argued that you
are the only remaining Gatekeeper, you were present, and you have seen the=
sources, and as it is important to me to get a complete and correct set of=
documents onto my desk.=C2=A0 Blame it on my having five advanced degrees:=
once a scholar, always go back to the
sources :-) =C2=A0Thank you very much.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Specifically, I am hoping you will direct me/us to the direct links fo=
r the following:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<ol>
<li>The records for the Council of Elders having legally become =E2=80=9Can=
unincorporated Association on 26 October 2000.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0This should =
include the state of the Association=E2=80=99s creation, and where and when=
those documents were filed, plus when and accepted
by which authorities.</li></ol></div></div></span></div></span></div></blo=
ckquote><div><br></div><div>The whole point of an "unincorporated asso=
ciation" is it's a thing you do by ... associating, not by filing =
something. So it's empirically true.<br></div><div>We associated. The r=
ecords are "the people who associated, associated".<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break=
-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span=
><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><ol=
><li>All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community the =E2=80=9C=
document that served as the Charter for OpenAFS=E2=80=9D, no additional ref=
erence offered in your email, and from which you were quoting in your reply=
.</li></ol></div></div></span></div></span></div></blockquote><div><br></di=
v><div>It exists somewhere. I wrote it. I can look around, but, no promises=
. It was patterned upon the model of the "Cartel", which started =
as a group of 4 Kerberos- and AFS- using schools (CMU, Michigan, MIT, Stanf=
ord), expanded to include Cornell and then UWash, and then Duke, and then c=
ontracted over time... and I attempted to learn from their mistakes. I fail=
ed. I was wrong. I apologized for this publicly. But that charter certainly=
exists.<br>=C2=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-=
family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:r=
gb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><ol><li>All records documenting for and to t=
he OpenAFS community anything pertaining to =E2=80=9CJanuary 26th 2006 when=
the Council of Elders voted to reorganize itself.=E2=80=9D</li></ol></div>=
</div></span></div></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>normally i=
would say "I am not your google" (this was the first hit, so you=
could have felt lucky and found it yourself) but i'm feeling charitabl=
e for some foolish reason.<br><br><a href=3D"https://lists.openafs.org/pipe=
rmail/openafs-announce/2006/000136.html">https://lists.openafs.org/pipermai=
l/openafs-announce/2006/000136.html</a><br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rg=
b(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D=
"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,s=
ans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><ol><li>All recor=
ds documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything pertaining to Ben =
Kaduk =E2=80=9Ca Guardian appointed by the Gatekeepers before Daria=E2=80=
=99s resignation.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0This should include definition of =E2=80=
=9CGuardian=E2=80=99s=E2=80=9D role (privileges and responsibilities),
who participated in making the appointment, and who (if any) voted against=
it.</li></ol></div></div></span></div></span></div></blockquote><div>this =
is probably the weakest one. i'm unsure these notes exist.=C2=A0 <br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wr=
ap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-seri=
f"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px=
;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">=
<div><ol><li>All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anyth=
ing pertaining your petition to step down as an Elder (as you mentioned) to=
the Council of Elders, and the Council having accepted your and/or anybody=
else=E2=80=99s resignation as Elder, as
applicable.=C2=A0 Plus when and how the Council of Elders reported this to=
the Gatekeepers, and when the Gatekeepers accepted your resignation as Eld=
er; this should list the names of the Gatekeepers who voted plus their voti=
ng decisions, to record 2/3 majority
decision among the Gatekeepers.</li></ol></div></div></span></div></span><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>this isn't mine to comment on, bu=
t, the next is related. see below. <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);fon=
t-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:b=
reak-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><=
span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><ol><li>All records documenti=
ng for and to the OpenAFS community anything pertaining Daria=E2=80=99s pet=
ition to the Gatekeepers to step down as a Gatekeeper (and Elder, if applic=
able); this should list the names of the Gatekeepers who voted plus their v=
oting
decisions, to record 2/3 majority decision among the Gatekeepers.</li></ol=
></div></div></span></div></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>it =
wasn't a petition. i was being paid nothing. no one was given a choice.=
i am an autonomous individual, apparently one whose work was valued so poo=
rly that i was assumed to be an automaton to be commanded, at least what i =
gather from the tone here. <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:1=
4px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-wor=
d;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><di=
v style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><ol><li>A census which pieces of Open=
AFS code, including 1.6 and 1.8 and Main branches, </li></ol></div></div></=
span></div></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>everything's i=
n git. it's all at MIT, currently. <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0)=
;font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wr=
ap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-seri=
f"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><ol><li>currently reside =
where, and who owns the infrastructure.=C2=A0 This should include contact i=
nformation for a contact person and/or administrator at MIT and other organ=
izations
if applicable.=C2=A0 What are the terms of the agreement between OpenAFS a=
nd the host(s)?=C2=A0 When and where was that published for the OpenAFS com=
munity?</li></ol></div></div></span></div></span></div></blockquote><div><b=
r></div><div>see below <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;=
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div st=
yle=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><ol><li>All records documenting the role =
(privileges and responsibilities) of individuals who have hosted code and/o=
r administered it.=C2=A0 This should include where decision authority and/o=
r action requests were defined to be located.=C2=A0 What are the terms
of the agreement between OpenAFS and the administrators?=C2=A0 When and wh=
ere was that published for the OpenAFS community?</li></ol></div></div></sp=
an></div></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>When you have $0 to =
spend on things, when someone steps up and builds tools to host things, you=
let them do it. The price is right.<br>=C2=A0<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:r=
gb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibr=
i,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><ol><li>All re=
cords documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything pertaining to t=
he funds contributed to the Council of Elders in 2003 by three institutions=
.=C2=A0 Is there anything beyond the press release you mentioned in your re=
ply?=C2=A0 Who was on the
Council at that time?=C2=A0 Who administered those funds and what happened=
to them?</li></ol></div></div></span></div></span></div></blockquote><div>=
They were delivered to the organizations which employed the gatekeepers and=
used to defray the salaries of those people. Me, Garry and Jim Rees, as I =
recall; I think Russ came later. <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-=
size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:bre=
ak-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><sp=
an><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><ol><li>All records for any com=
munication with any government agencies, including but not limited to the S=
tate of the Unincorporated Association=E2=80=9D of 2000, and on the Federal=
level, the IRS?</li></ol></div></div></span></div></span></div></blockquot=
e><div><br></div><div>See above.<br>=C2=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0=
,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word=
-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-s=
erif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>Beyond these items to which you explicitly or implicitly referred in y=
esterday=E2=80=99s reply, I would like </div></div></span></div></span></di=
v></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'd like a pony.<br><br></div><div>Y=
our questions assume a lot of formal structure that didn't exist, which=
was the point of the foundation needing to exist.<br></div><div>You got a =
horse and now you ask about the cart. There was no cart. People were haulin=
g shit in bags on their backs.<br><br></div><div>My back has a crook in it =
from that which I will bear forever, and I resent the implications of malfe=
asance that I feel is thinly-veiled here.<br></div><div>=C2=A0<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:brea=
k-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><spa=
n><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-f=
amily:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>fo=
r you to point me/us to:</div>
<div>
<ul>
<li>All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community any informatio=
n/resolutions/official filings etc about other organizations that were and/=
or are part of and/or related to OpenAFS. =C2=A0</li></ul></div></div></spa=
n></div></span></div></blockquote><div>Workshop committee had workshops whi=
ch spoke about AFS, but had no official affiliation with the Elders and is =
under no obligation should they (we, I guess I never resigned that) choose =
not to answer things, to do so. <br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:=
rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><div style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibr=
i,sans-serif"><span><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><ul><li>One ex=
ample I know of is the Kerberos and OpenAFS BPW Committee.
=C2=A0Are there others?=C2=A0 Alternatively, please jot down contact info =
for a representative of said organization(s) and/or committee(s) authorized=
to answer this; I will be happy to approach them directly and save you the=
work.</li></ul>
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<div>I want to do right by the OpenAFS community and the legacy of the Open=
AFS technology.=C2=A0 To that end, this information is critical, and I vent=
ure a guess that others may want to do some reading-up as well. Since you a=
re the only active Gatekeeper,
you appear to be the obvious person to be able to help me out.=C2=A0 Shoul=
d anything else occur to me at a later time, I will email again.=C2=A0 Than=
k you in advance, Jeff. =C2=A0</div><span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888=
"></font></span></div></span></div></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div=
><div>I'm certainly a person who has some of this, and I don't actu=
ally know how much of it exists outside the various Elders and/or Gatekeepe=
rs mailbox. If you want it, I'll share what I have as I find it, but it=
's hardly a high priority for me right now. With an impending divorce a=
nd the run-up to surgery that's in doubt, my life is rather crammed wit=
h stuff just now. <br></div></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">if y=
ou want to get a drink(*) with me and ask things, i'm perfectly willing=
to be frank. but i can say the tone of this email has me rather on edge.<b=
r clear=3D"all"></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra">* - probably tea, or maybe a milkshake. i've not really been=
having much alcohol these days, and i am a lightweight anymore anyway.<br>=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Daria Phoebe Brashear<br></div=
><div>AuriStor, Inc<br></div><div><a href=3D"http://dariaphoebe.com" target=
=3D"_blank">dariaphoebe.com</a><br><br></div></div></span></div></div>
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