[Foundation-discuss] Access to facts and officially recorded decisions?

Jeffrey Altman jaltman@auristor.com
Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:08:24 -0400


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On 4/22/2016 10:11 AM, E. Margarete Ziemer wrote:
> Good morning, Jeff (and everybody),
>=20
> Your email from last night is rich in arguments and claims, too many to=

> discuss in one sitting.  However, you mention events and facts I would
> like to understand comprehensively.  Therefore, would you please point
> me/all of us to the links where decisions you mentioned were recorded a=
t
> the time and (hopefully) communicated to the general OpenAFS community?=

>  With Your Big Birthday coming this weekend (congratulations and best
> wishes, Jeff!), I am thinking you could either reply with the links to
> records or ask somebody else to collect them for you so that you can
> more easily link them?  Delegation of the task is no issue for me, so
> getting these links to records within the week should be feasible.  But=

> should be the one sending them, as you argued that you are the only
> remaining Gatekeeper, you were present, and you have seen the sources,
> and as it is important to me to get a complete and correct set of
> documents onto my desk.  Blame it on my having five advanced degrees:
> once a scholar, always go back to the sources :-)  Thank you very much.=


Margarete,

To be clear, I wasn't involved in the OpenAFS community in 2000. The
vast majority of the records were never made "public" in the manner that
you would like it to be. Minutes were not conveyed to the broader public
but to those organizations that were represented at the time.

Carnegie Mellon University - Daria Brashear
Intel - Travis Brouhton
Univ of Michigan - Peter Honyman
MIT - Ted McCabe
IBM - Craig Everhart, Bob Oesterlin, Laura Stentz

The Secretary was Laura Stentz and she recorded the minutes for the
group and Peter Honeyman was the Treasurer.

Those minutes were distributed to all participating organizations
through their representatives. Summaries of the decisions that were made
on 26 October 2000 were then presented at the AFS BOF at the 2000
USENIX/LISA conference on Dec 4th and German AFS User Group on Dec 14th.
I am sure that there were also presentations and discussions at the
subsequent Common Solution Group and Cartel meetings in the Spring of 200=
1.

The records that matter may be lost to time if the individuals involved
do not have preserved copies of their e-mail. My suggestion would be to
reach out to Peter Honeyman.

I will quickly respond to each of the below:

>=20
> Specifically, I am hoping you will direct me/us to the direct links for=

> the following:
>=20
>  1. The records for the Council of Elders having legally become =E2=80=9C=
an
>     unincorporated Association on 26 October 2000.=E2=80=9D  This shoul=
d include
>     the state of the Association=E2=80=99s creation, and where and when=
 those
>     documents were filed, plus when and accepted by which authorities.

To the best of my knowledge there were never any filings with government
agencies.  However, that is not a requirement for the existence of an
unincorporated association.  Any group of individuals or organizations
that work together for a common purpose is an association.

That association without registration has limited legal rights and
cannot hold funds in its name.  Hence, the reason that accounts were
setup on behalf of the OpenAFS Elders at various points at the
University of Michigan, USENIX and Carnegie Mellon University.

>  2. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community the
>     =E2=80=9Cdocument that served as the Charter for OpenAFS=E2=80=9D, =
no additional
>     reference offered in your email, and from which you were quoting in=

>     your reply.

The community in 2000 were those organizations participating with IBM to
release OpenAFS as source code.  There was no obligation on anyone's
part to distribute minutes or other details to a broader public.  The
document I have from 26 October 2000 was provided to me by Laura Stentz
when I became an Elder.  Again, there was no obligation on anyone's part
to make that document available to the broader public.  It is the
property of IBM and the other organizations that were legally
represented.  Perhaps the IBM representative to the Foundation Board can
provide you a copy.

>  3. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything
>     pertaining to =E2=80=9CJanuary 26th 2006 when the Council of Elders=
 voted to
>     reorganize itself.=E2=80=9D

That occurred at an in person meeting at IBM Pittsburgh Labs on 2
November 2005.  Minutes were taken by Laura Stentz.

The attendees were

 * Jeffrey Altman (Secure Endpoints)
 * Daria Brashear (SineNomine)
 * Craig Everhart (Network Appliance)
 * Peter Honeyman (University of Michigan)
 * Phillip Moore (Merrill Lynch)
 * Bob Oesterlin (IBM),
 * Laura Stentz (IBM)
 * Warren Yenson (Morgan Stanley)
 * (Travis Broughton =E2=80=93 Intel, via phone).

At that meeting

"The following Elders have decided to resign due to the fact that they
are no longer actively working (or promoting) AFS in their positions:
Travis Broughton, Craig Everhart, Peter Honeyman, Phillip Moore, Bob
Oesterlin. Daria Brashear and Laura Stentz will remain on the Council of
Elders. Warren Yenson will join the Elders, as will all of the active
OpenAFS Gatekeepers (Jeffrey Altman, Jim Rees, Russ Albery)."

It was also determined that Jeff Schiller (MIT) and Harald Barth (KTH)
would be invited to join the Elders.  They accepted the invitations.

Prior to this point minutes were never made public to the broader
community.   Doing so begin in 2006

  http://www.openafs.org/elders/

To the extent that they were posted.

The announcement of the reformulated Elders was sent to openafs-announce
by Laura Stentz on 30 January 2016.

  http://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-announce/2006/000136.html

Harald joining the Elders was announced

  http://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-announce/2006/000143.html

>  4. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything
>     pertaining to Ben Kaduk =E2=80=9Ca Guardian appointed by the Gateke=
epers
>     before Daria=E2=80=99s resignation.=E2=80=9D  This should include d=
efinition of
>     =E2=80=9CGuardian=E2=80=99s=E2=80=9D role (privileges and responsib=
ilities), who
>     participated in making the appointment, and who (if any) voted
>     against it.

There is none.  Access to the repository was granted by the
infrastructure owners based upon the recommendation of the Gatekeepers.
 There were discussions with the release team and those that manage the
infrastructure.

>  5. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything
>     pertaining your petition to step down as an Elder (as you mentioned=
)
>     to the Council of Elders, and the Council having accepted your
>     and/or anybody else=E2=80=99s resignation as Elder, as applicable. =
 Plus
>     when and how the Council of Elders reported this to the Gatekeepers=
,
>     and when the Gatekeepers accepted your resignation as Elder; this
>     should list the names of the Gatekeepers who voted plus their votin=
g
>     decisions, to record 2/3 majority decision among the Gatekeepers.

Resignations do not require petitions nor do they require votes.
Resignations require notification to the elders which would have been
sent via the openafs-elders mailing list (private).  I also notified the
broader community via openafs-announce.

Other relevant public links regarding resignations

 Addition of Roman Mitz
   https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-announce/2012/000401.html

 Russ Allbery's resignation
   https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-announce/2012/000402.html

 Mine

   https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-announce/2012/000404.html


 Ken Dryer's

   https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-announce/2012/000406.html
   https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-announce/2014/000474.html

 Daria's resignation

   https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-announce/2015/000491.html

 Laura Stentz sent a resignation letter but I can't find a link to it
 in the archive.  She resigned when she retired from IBM.  Todd should
have a copy or know approximately when that was.  Definite

>  6. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything
>     pertaining Daria=E2=80=99s petition to the Gatekeepers to step down=
 as a
>     Gatekeeper (and Elder, if applicable); this should list the names o=
f
>     the Gatekeepers who voted plus their voting decisions, to record 2/=
3
>     majority decision among the Gatekeepers.

Gatekeeper decisions are by consensus and do not follow the 2/3 rule.
The 2/3 rule was for changes to the Elders structure, voting someone off
the island and approving new members.  No vote is required for an
appointment.

>  7. A census which pieces of OpenAFS code, including 1.6 and 1.8 and
>     Main branches, currently reside where, and who owns the
>     infrastructure.  This should include contact information for a
>     contact person and/or administrator at MIT and other organizations
>     if applicable.  What are the terms of the agreement between OpenAFS=

>     and the host(s)?  When and where was that published for the OpenAFS=

>     community?

All source code for all branches is in the Git repository.  Every
developer has a copy.  The master copy is at MIT and is replicated to
github.


>  8. All records documenting the role (privileges and responsibilities)
>     of individuals who have hosted code and/or administered it.  This
>     should include where decision authority and/or action requests were=

>     defined to be located.  What are the terms of the agreement between=

>     OpenAFS and the administrators?  When and where was that published
>     for the OpenAFS community?

Why would anyone that volunteers to host infrastructure as a benefit for
a community need to have authorization to do so?

That isn't how the community worked in 2000 and it isn't how it works
today. OpenAFS is a community not a corporation.

The Elders didn't own or control the infrastructure neither did the
Gatekeepers.  Why would they?  They didn't own the source code that the
infrastructure managed.

The mission of the Council of Elders as best as I can eek out was to
coordinate the resources that the represented organizations were going
to apply to maintaining OpenAFS.  The primary contribution was staff
time.  Remember all of the original Gatekeepers and Release Managers and
Binary builders as documented at http://www.openafs.org/credits.html
were employees of the founding academic institutions.

As was discussed at the AFS and Kerberos BPW this past Summer during the
morning panel and the interview with Phil Moore, when IBM finally agreed
to release the source code for IBM AFS 3.6 as OpenAFS there was such a
sigh of relief within the community that no one bothered to worry about
the legal ramifications.

I have found no evidence that anyone from the legal teams of Univ of
Michigan, MIT or Carnegie Mellon let alone Intel or Morgan Stanley
reviewed the IBM Public License 1.0 and pushed back.  Even if they had
it is unclear that it would have made a difference given the
circumstances.  Unlike Eclipse which was not a profit making product,
IBM AFS was an active business and IBM had legal obligations associated
with its contracts with customers.  Some of whom continued to pay for
IBM service, support and updates for at least five more years.  I was a
participant in several meetings at clients that included IBM service
representatives as late as 2006 and 2007.

The actions of the broader user community were clear from how they
managed they check books.  They pocketed the savings and made no effort
to contribute funds.  From my conversations there was a distinct belief
that something would come along to replace AFS in two or three years.
Why throw good money after the years of bad money that went to IBM?

The reorganization of the Elders in late 2005 was a direct result of the
fact that many of the Elders were convinced that AFS should be replaced
by NFSv4 and that the purpose of OpenAFS should be to provide a
transition strategy.


>  9. All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community anything
>     pertaining to the funds contributed to the Council of Elders in 200=
3
>     by three institutions.  Is there anything beyond the press release
>     you mentioned in your reply?  Who was on the Council at that time?
>      Who administered those funds and what happened to them?

To the best of my knowledge the funds were distributed to the three
academic institutions that provided gatekeepers (umich, mit, cmu) to
fund the time spent on maintaining the source tree.  Again, speaking
with the individuals involved at the time is your best bet.

> 10. All records for any communication with any government agencies,
>     including but not limited to the State of the Unincorporated
>     Association=E2=80=9D of 2000, and on the Federal level, the IRS?

There are none.  Funds were held and distributed by existing
organizations.  UMich, CMU and USENIX.

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> Beyond these items to which you explicitly or implicitly referred in
> yesterday=E2=80=99s reply, I would like for you to point me/us to:
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>   * All records documenting for and to the OpenAFS community any
>     information/resolutions/official filings etc about other
>     organizations that were and/or are part of and/or related to
>     OpenAFS.  One example I know of is the Kerberos and OpenAFS BPW
>     Committee.  Are there others?  Alternatively, please jot down
>     contact info for a representative of said organization(s) and/or
>     committee(s) authorized to answer this; I will be happy to approach=

>     them directly and save you the work.

There is no requirement that institutions that host AFS related events
register with anyone or get approval from anyone.  Whether these be
BOFs, Hackathons, Conferences, Workshops, User Groups, or other.

To be clear there is no "Kerberos and OpenAFS BPW" committee.  There is
a "Kerberos and AFS Workshops" committee.   It is not specific to the
OpenAFS implementation.  The committee organizes events that are open to
all AFS and Kerberos implementations.  We have had participation from
OpenAFS, Arla, kAFS, and other new implementations.  We have had
participation from MIT Kerberos, Heimdal, Novell and Microsoft Kerberos
groups.  I don't think we ever had someone representing the ShiShi
Kerberos implementation and that is a shame.

User groups such as the German AFS User group, the New York AFS user
group, the Bay Area AFS User group do their own things.  They don't need
permission except from IBM to use the relevant registered marks.

> I want to do right by the OpenAFS community and the legacy of the
> OpenAFS technology.  To that end, this information is critical, and I
> venture a guess that others may want to do some reading-up as well.
> Since you are the only active Gatekeeper, you appear to be the obvious
> person to be able to help me out.  Should anything else occur to me at =
a
> later time, I will email again.  Thank you in advance, Jeff. =20

The fact is that most of the information you desire is, if public, to be
found on the openafs web site and in the openafs mailing list archives.
 If not, it is in the records of IBM.  Although I appreciate that
anything that was held by IBM might have been destroyed when Laura retire=
d.

All of the private records such as the elder's mailing list, the
gatekeeper's mailing list, and the associated spaces in the Request
Tracker are private.

I am, as always, open to answering questions but might I suggest that
you and the other Foundation Board members leverage the existing IBM
representation as well as reach out to the important players of the day.

Jeffrey Altman


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