[OpenAFS-devel] FW: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)
Neulinger, Nathan
nneul@umr.edu
Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:02:19 -0600
*laugh* I've got a Debian PARISC-Linux box in my office. I was looking
at porting openafs to it for a while (there's actually snippets in CVS
already) but I haven't done much with it in a while.
-- Nathan
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Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu
University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841
Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derek Atkins [mailto:warlord@MIT.EDU]=20
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:00 AM
> To: Neulinger, Nathan
> Cc: openafs-devel@openafs.org; openafs-info@openafs.org
> Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-devel] FW: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX=20
> (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)
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> Time to move to NetBSD? ;)
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> -derek
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> "Neulinger, Nathan" <nneul@umr.edu> writes:
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> > FYI.=20
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> > Oh well... I wanted a good reason to push for dropping=20
> campus support
> > for HP-UX anyway. This is a pretty damn good one in my book.=20
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> > -- Nathan
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> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu
> > University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841
> > Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3) [mailto:wayne_west@hp.com]=20
> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:21 AM
> > To: Neulinger, Nathan; Bruce Perens; grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com;
> > acmeyer@fc.hp.com; PERENS,BRUCE (HP-FtCollins,ex1); GRINDELAND,DAVE
> > (HP-FtCollins,unix1); WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3)
> > Subject: RE: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)
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> > Without going into all of the details, I need to put this=20
> issue to rest.
> > There were several discussions with the lab owners of HP-UX=20
> as well as
> > very
> > high level management. All of this came out of discussions=20
> with Transarc
> > who
> > had also requested source to finish their port to 11i. It=20
> was determined
> > that there is IP in the reqested files and that the code=20
> would not be
> > turned
> > over to Transarc or the Open source community.=20
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> > So the bottom line is that there will not be a release of=20
> the code to
> > Open
> > Source. Sorry for the bad news, but management believes it is not in
> > HP's
> > best interest to do so.
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> > Wayne West
> > Solution Specialist
> > Advanced Technology Group
> > Hewlett-Packard Co.
> > 1711 W. Greentree Drive, Suite 111
> > Tempe, AZ 85284
> > (480) 293-2548 Direct
> > (480) 293-2431 Fax
> > Wayne_West@hp.com=20
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nathan Neulinger [mailto:nneul@umr.edu]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:47 PM
> > To: Bruce Perens; grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com; acmeyer@fc.hp.com;
> > bruce_perens@hp.com; dave_grindeland@hp.com; wayne_west@hp.com
> > Subject: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)
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> > FYI in case it helps narrow down exactly what we were looking for:
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> > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Neulinger, Nathan wrote:
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> > > Ok. Is there anyone at HP that you/IBM/CoE/etc. has been
> > talking
> > to
> > that
> > > is aware of this? i.e. someone that would be able to say
> > "Yeah,
> > they
> > > want this piece here, this is why we haven't been giving it to
> > them..."
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> > IBM doesn't care.
> > They have what they need.
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> > "GRINDELAND,DAVE (HP-FtCollins,unix1)" <dave_grindeland@hp.com>
> > "WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3)" <wayne_west@hp.com>
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> > Dave was supposed to be "working on it" in October.
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> > Bruce, any help you can provide in this area would be greatly
> > appreciated!
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> > -- Nathan=09
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> > "Neulinger, Nathan" wrote:
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> > > I wouldn't tend to think so, VFS not VxFS... Unless HP-UX's core
> > > in-kernel filesystem interfaces are written by veritas, I=20
> would think
> > it
> > > wouldn't be veritas's code.
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> > > -- Nathan
> > >=20
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu
> > > University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841
> > > Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bruce Perens [mailto:bruce@perens.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:06 PM
> > > > To: grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com; Neulinger, Nathan
> > > > Cc: acmeyer@fc.hp.com; bruce_perens@hp.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes this is third-party code not owned by HP. If it
> > > > comes from Veritas, we're
> > > > probably hosed.
> > > >
> > > > Bruce
> > > >
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Grant Grundler [mailto:grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com]=20
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:02 PM
> > > > To: Neulinger, Nathan
> > > > Cc: acmeyer@fc.hp.com; bruce_perens@hp.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.=20
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> > > > "Neulinger, Nathan" wrote:
> > > > > This isn't really related to parisc-linux, but do you think=20
> > > > there is any
> > > > > chance you could help along the cause of getting the=20
> information
> > the
> > > > > OpenAFS project needs to re-enable support for HP-UX kernel=20
> > > > filesystem
> > > > > development?
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> > > > maybe...there is a group of folks interested in supporting open
> > source
> > > > projects and I'd really need to point you to one of them.
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> > > I'd be very interested in getting in contact with them.=20
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> > > > > Transarc AFS had full support for HP-UX, but it was not=20
> > > > included due to
> > > > > legal restrictions.
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> > > > bah...this is something that Bruce Perens doesn't like to hear.
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> > > It really was a shame. OpenAFS has really taken off and=20
> supports quite
> > a
> > > bit more than Transarc's, but for HP-UX only, it took a=20
> step backwards
> > > from supported, to not supported. (Transarc's closed=20
> binaries still
> > > support HP-UX, but the open-source version doesn't.)
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> > > > > I can try to get more specific info, but things like=20
> the headers
> > for
> > > > > definitions of vfspage_t, k_off_t, and other related kernel=20
> > > > definitions.
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> > > > If those are only visibile to HPUX kernel and sources a=20
> full source
> > > > tree to see, then it's possible but harder. If you can=20
> find those
> > > > things in publicly visible source files, then I was under the=20
> > > > impression
> > > > it's ok to "leverage".
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> > > > It might be easier to go back to the code that's under legal=20
> > > > restrictions
> > > > and review if that's really necessary (ie can be=20
> removed or is no
> > > > longer sensitive IP).
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> > > It's possible, I wouldn't think that definitions of=20
> interfaces would
> > be
> > > too sensitive. (Unless you're MS of course.)
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> > > Anything you can pass along or direct me to would be great.=20
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> > > -- Nathan
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> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu
> > University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841
> > Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216
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