[OpenAFS-devel] Re: [OpenAFS] the future

[Aaron Knister]

Hi Troy,

I admire your energy and desire to support openafs but I think this approach=
 would create a lot of angry people. If we deployed this at the university f=
or which I used to work we would have a mob of angry users. We'd end up modi=
fying the source to remove it.=20

Regarding support, some type of subscription based model could go a long way=
. One if the reasons (other than frankly ignorance) that OpenAFS was frowned=
 upon at UMBC was our lack of commercial support. I know there are entities t=
hat provide support but they seemed to require more effort than clicking a b=
utton, selecting my subscription type (X number of FileServers, Y number of "=
supported" clients, Z number of vldb servers, etc), and typing in a credit c=
ard number

OpenAFS is the best general purpose, distributed filesystem I've ever used a=
nd I would *love* to see it make a rising and ale the industry by storm. I c=
an dream, can't I?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 30, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org> wrote:

> How about this:
>=20
> src/aklog$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D../../lib ./aklog
> This software is free software, and depends on your ongoing support
> Please consider a donation to http://openafs.org/Donate
> src/tfs/src/aklog$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D../../lib ./aklog -nonag
> src/tfs/src/aklog$=20
>=20
> After doing this, I realized I need to add this message to 'tokens'
> as well.
>=20
> Would the developers accept a patch to add this to at least 'aklog'
> and 'tokens' ?
>=20
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 02:10:23PM -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
>> I would hope that the donation link would be a more subtle, and equally
>> effective incentive. If edu CIO's start getting emails from professors
>> asking "Why is this software we depend on asking for donations", maybe=20=

>> they'd start looking at their overhead budgets. But that overhead money
>> will come from somewhere else.. We better have a story on the donation
>> landing page on how much AFS saves vs the 'storage appliance' and 'cloud'=

>> models that are all the rage among CIOs.
>>=20
>> How about a landing page with a survey of "What excessive IT spend would
>> you cut in your organization and redirect to AFS?".
>>=20
>> One-time deals (on linux) that require interaction will blow up all kinds=

>> of automated tools and leave the rank and file admins your enemy.=20
>>=20
>> How do you pop up a dialog when aklog is called via the GDM/KDM login via=

>> pam_aklog, for instance?
>>=20
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:52:51AM -0700, Ted Creedon wrote:
>>> My intent was to foment a user uprising resulting in pressure on the .ed=
u &
>>> .com level administrators to provide funding from established budgets. M=
ore
>>> of a corporate funding than individual contributions.
>>>=20
>>> Perhaps a cc to the local spreadsheet managers would get the user needs
>>> better communicated.
>>>=20
>>> I.e. you can't aklog one time only until you fill out the poll, send it i=
n
>>> w/cc to local financial folks.
>>>=20
>>> Tedc
>>>=20
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org> wrot=
e:
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 02:49:08AM -0700, Ted Creedon wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> How about taking a AFS wide survey using a aklog token driven one time=

>>>> pop
>>>>> up explaining that AFS is not being updated according to industry
>>>> standards
>>>>> and that it needs substantial financial support.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Most users are charged for computer support one way or another. AFS ne=
eds
>>>>> to be included just like Microsoft license fees.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I.e. is there any way to get the users fired up?
>>>>=20
>>>> I like this. But I think for this to work we need a simple URL like
>>>> 'http://openafs.org/donate' that that shows up in the command line aklo=
g
>>>> client, and on a clickable link in the GUI client.
>>>>=20
>>>> Currently http://static.usenix.org/about/openafs/ is the only 'donate t=
o
>>>> OpenAFS' link I can find, but that requires cutting a check. The landin=
g
>>>> page for donations needs to accept PayPal, Amazon payments, Dwolla, and=

>>>> Bitcoin, as well as form to click saying 'My organization uses openafs,=

>>>> please contact __________ who has purchasing authority'
>>>>=20
>>>> I think it would look better to have a full OpenAFS foundation with cle=
ar
>>>> governance, but for the moment, all that is needed is some consensus to=

>>>> set up a 'donate' landing page on OpenAFS.org, and someone to set up th=
e
>>>> payment arrangements so checks get regularly cut to the address on the
>>>> Usenix association page.
>>>>=20
>>>> If there is a consensus to go ahead with this, I would be willing to of=
fer
>>>> to handle the Dwolla and Bitcoin 'instant donate' links. I can beat
>>>> whatever
>>>> percentage Amazon and Paypal take and still make it worth my time, and I=
'll
>>>> include the others because it makes for wider audience for contribution=
s.
>>>>=20
>>>> If there is not a consensus to go ahead with this within a month or two=
,
>>>> I'm going to (at whatever glacial pace I feel like it) release TFS
>>>> version(s)
>>>> for Linux, Android, and MacOS that have such a link and donate pages.
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