[OpenAFS] FW: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)

[Neulinger, Nathan]

FYI.=20

Oh well... I wanted a good reason to push for dropping campus support
for HP-UX anyway. This is a pretty damn good one in my book.=20

-- Nathan

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Nathan Neulinger                       EMail:  nneul@umr.edu
University of Missouri - Rolla         Phone: (573) 341-4841
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-----Original Message-----
From: WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3) [mailto:wayne_west@hp.com]=20
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:21 AM
To: Neulinger, Nathan; Bruce Perens; grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com;
acmeyer@fc.hp.com; PERENS,BRUCE (HP-FtCollins,ex1); GRINDELAND,DAVE
(HP-FtCollins,unix1); WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3)
Subject: RE: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)


Without going into all of the details, I need to put this issue to rest.
There were several discussions with the lab owners of HP-UX as well as
very
high level management. All of this came out of discussions with Transarc
who
had also requested source to finish their port to 11i. It was determined
that there is IP in the reqested files and that the code would not be
turned
over to Transarc or the Open source community.=20

So the bottom line is that there will not be a release of the code to
Open
Source. Sorry for the bad news, but management believes it is not in
HP's
best interest to do so.

Wayne West
Solution Specialist
Advanced Technology Group
Hewlett-Packard Co.
1711 W. Greentree Drive, Suite 111
Tempe, AZ 85284
(480) 293-2548 Direct
(480) 293-2431 Fax
Wayne_West@hp.com=20
=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Neulinger [mailto:nneul@umr.edu]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:47 PM
To: Bruce Perens; grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com; acmeyer@fc.hp.com;
bruce_perens@hp.com; dave_grindeland@hp.com; wayne_west@hp.com
Subject: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)


FYI in case it helps narrow down exactly what we were looking for:

	On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Neulinger, Nathan wrote:

	> Ok. Is there anyone at HP that you/IBM/CoE/etc. has been
talking
to
that
	> is aware of this? i.e. someone that would be able to say
"Yeah,
they
	> want this piece here, this is why we haven't been giving it to
them..."

	IBM doesn't care.
	They have what they need.

	"GRINDELAND,DAVE (HP-FtCollins,unix1)" <dave_grindeland@hp.com>
	"WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3)" <wayne_west@hp.com>

	Dave was supposed to be "working on it" in October.

Bruce, any help you can provide in this area would be greatly
appreciated!

-- Nathan=09

"Neulinger, Nathan" wrote:
>=20
> I wouldn't tend to think so, VFS not VxFS... Unless HP-UX's core
> in-kernel filesystem interfaces are written by veritas, I would think
it
> wouldn't be veritas's code.
>=20
> -- Nathan
>=20
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Nathan Neulinger                       EMail:  nneul@umr.edu
> University of Missouri - Rolla         Phone: (573) 341-4841
> Computing Services                       Fax: (573) 341-4216
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bruce Perens [mailto:bruce@perens.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:06 PM
> > To: grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com; Neulinger, Nathan
> > Cc: acmeyer@fc.hp.com; bruce_perens@hp.com
> > Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.
> >
> >
> > Sometimes this is third-party code not owned by HP. If it
> > comes from Veritas, we're
> > probably hosed.
> >
> >       Bruce
> >



> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Grant Grundler [mailto:grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com]=20
> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:02 PM
> > To: Neulinger, Nathan
> > Cc: acmeyer@fc.hp.com; bruce_perens@hp.com
> > Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > "Neulinger, Nathan" wrote:
> > > This isn't really related to parisc-linux, but do you think=20
> > there is any
> > > chance you could help along the cause of getting the information
the
> > > OpenAFS project needs to re-enable support for HP-UX kernel=20
> > filesystem
> > > development?
> >=20
> > maybe...there is a group of folks interested in supporting open
source
> > projects and I'd really need to point you to one of them.
>=20
> I'd be very interested in getting in contact with them.=20
>=20
> > > Transarc AFS had full support for HP-UX, but it was not=20
> > included due to
> > > legal restrictions.
> >=20
> > bah...this is something that Bruce Perens doesn't like to hear.
>=20
> It really was a shame. OpenAFS has really taken off and supports quite
a
> bit more than Transarc's, but for HP-UX only, it took a step backwards
> from supported, to not supported. (Transarc's closed binaries still
> support HP-UX, but the open-source version doesn't.)
>=20
> > > I can try to get more specific info, but things like the headers
for
> > > definitions of vfspage_t, k_off_t, and other related kernel=20
> > definitions.
> >=20
> > If those are only visibile to HPUX kernel and sources a full source
> > tree to see, then it's possible but harder. If you can find those
> > things in publicly visible source files, then I was under the=20
> > impression
> > it's ok to "leverage".
> >=20
> > It might be easier to go back to the code that's under legal=20
> > restrictions
> > and review if that's really necessary (ie can be removed or is no
> > longer sensitive IP).
>=20
> It's possible, I wouldn't think that definitions of interfaces would
be
> too sensitive. (Unless you're MS of course.)
>=20
> Anything you can pass along or direct me to would be great.=20
>=20
> -- Nathan

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Nathan Neulinger                       EMail:  nneul@umr.edu
University of Missouri - Rolla         Phone: (573) 341-4841
Computing Services                       Fax: (573) 341-4216