[OpenAFS] Re: [OpenAFS-devel] FW: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)

Derek Atkins warlord@MIT.EDU
01 Apr 2002 12:00:14 -0500


Time to move to NetBSD? ;)

-derek

"Neulinger, Nathan" <nneul@umr.edu> writes:

> FYI. 
> 
> Oh well... I wanted a good reason to push for dropping campus support
> for HP-UX anyway. This is a pretty damn good one in my book. 
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Nathan Neulinger                       EMail:  nneul@umr.edu
> University of Missouri - Rolla         Phone: (573) 341-4841
> Computing Services                       Fax: (573) 341-4216
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3) [mailto:wayne_west@hp.com] 
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:21 AM
> To: Neulinger, Nathan; Bruce Perens; grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com;
> acmeyer@fc.hp.com; PERENS,BRUCE (HP-FtCollins,ex1); GRINDELAND,DAVE
> (HP-FtCollins,unix1); WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3)
> Subject: RE: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)
> 
> 
> Without going into all of the details, I need to put this issue to rest.
> There were several discussions with the lab owners of HP-UX as well as
> very
> high level management. All of this came out of discussions with Transarc
> who
> had also requested source to finish their port to 11i. It was determined
> that there is IP in the reqested files and that the code would not be
> turned
> over to Transarc or the Open source community. 
> 
> So the bottom line is that there will not be a release of the code to
> Open
> Source. Sorry for the bad news, but management believes it is not in
> HP's
> best interest to do so.
> 
> Wayne West
> Solution Specialist
> Advanced Technology Group
> Hewlett-Packard Co.
> 1711 W. Greentree Drive, Suite 111
> Tempe, AZ 85284
> (480) 293-2548 Direct
> (480) 293-2431 Fax
> Wayne_West@hp.com 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan Neulinger [mailto:nneul@umr.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:47 PM
> To: Bruce Perens; grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com; acmeyer@fc.hp.com;
> bruce_perens@hp.com; dave_grindeland@hp.com; wayne_west@hp.com
> Subject: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)
> 
> 
> FYI in case it helps narrow down exactly what we were looking for:
> 
> 	On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Neulinger, Nathan wrote:
> 
> 	> Ok. Is there anyone at HP that you/IBM/CoE/etc. has been
> talking
> to
> that
> 	> is aware of this? i.e. someone that would be able to say
> "Yeah,
> they
> 	> want this piece here, this is why we haven't been giving it to
> them..."
> 
> 	IBM doesn't care.
> 	They have what they need.
> 
> 	"GRINDELAND,DAVE (HP-FtCollins,unix1)" <dave_grindeland@hp.com>
> 	"WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3)" <wayne_west@hp.com>
> 
> 	Dave was supposed to be "working on it" in October.
> 
> Bruce, any help you can provide in this area would be greatly
> appreciated!
> 
> -- Nathan	
> 
> "Neulinger, Nathan" wrote:
> > 
> > I wouldn't tend to think so, VFS not VxFS... Unless HP-UX's core
> > in-kernel filesystem interfaces are written by veritas, I would think
> it
> > wouldn't be veritas's code.
> > 
> > -- Nathan
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Nathan Neulinger                       EMail:  nneul@umr.edu
> > University of Missouri - Rolla         Phone: (573) 341-4841
> > Computing Services                       Fax: (573) 341-4216
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bruce Perens [mailto:bruce@perens.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:06 PM
> > > To: grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com; Neulinger, Nathan
> > > Cc: acmeyer@fc.hp.com; bruce_perens@hp.com
> > > Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sometimes this is third-party code not owned by HP. If it
> > > comes from Veritas, we're
> > > probably hosed.
> > >
> > >       Bruce
> > >
> 
> 
> 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Grant Grundler [mailto:grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com] 
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:02 PM
> > > To: Neulinger, Nathan
> > > Cc: acmeyer@fc.hp.com; bruce_perens@hp.com
> > > Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Neulinger, Nathan" wrote:
> > > > This isn't really related to parisc-linux, but do you think 
> > > there is any
> > > > chance you could help along the cause of getting the information
> the
> > > > OpenAFS project needs to re-enable support for HP-UX kernel 
> > > filesystem
> > > > development?
> > > 
> > > maybe...there is a group of folks interested in supporting open
> source
> > > projects and I'd really need to point you to one of them.
> > 
> > I'd be very interested in getting in contact with them. 
> > 
> > > > Transarc AFS had full support for HP-UX, but it was not 
> > > included due to
> > > > legal restrictions.
> > > 
> > > bah...this is something that Bruce Perens doesn't like to hear.
> > 
> > It really was a shame. OpenAFS has really taken off and supports quite
> a
> > bit more than Transarc's, but for HP-UX only, it took a step backwards
> > from supported, to not supported. (Transarc's closed binaries still
> > support HP-UX, but the open-source version doesn't.)
> > 
> > > > I can try to get more specific info, but things like the headers
> for
> > > > definitions of vfspage_t, k_off_t, and other related kernel 
> > > definitions.
> > > 
> > > If those are only visibile to HPUX kernel and sources a full source
> > > tree to see, then it's possible but harder. If you can find those
> > > things in publicly visible source files, then I was under the 
> > > impression
> > > it's ok to "leverage".
> > > 
> > > It might be easier to go back to the code that's under legal 
> > > restrictions
> > > and review if that's really necessary (ie can be removed or is no
> > > longer sensitive IP).
> > 
> > It's possible, I wouldn't think that definitions of interfaces would
> be
> > too sensitive. (Unless you're MS of course.)
> > 
> > Anything you can pass along or direct me to would be great. 
> > 
> > -- Nathan
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Nathan Neulinger                       EMail:  nneul@umr.edu
> University of Missouri - Rolla         Phone: (573) 341-4841
> Computing Services                       Fax: (573) 341-4216
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