[OpenAFS] Re: [OpenAFS-devel] FW: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)
Derek Atkins
warlord@MIT.EDU
01 Apr 2002 12:03:07 -0500
Well, here's your chance (and incentive)
-derek
"Neulinger, Nathan" <nneul@umr.edu> writes:
> *laugh* I've got a Debian PARISC-Linux box in my office. I was looking
> at porting openafs to it for a while (there's actually snippets in CVS
> already) but I haven't done much with it in a while.
>
> -- Nathan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu
> University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841
> Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Derek Atkins [mailto:warlord@MIT.EDU]
> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:00 AM
> > To: Neulinger, Nathan
> > Cc: openafs-devel@openafs.org; openafs-info@openafs.org
> > Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-devel] FW: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX
> > (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)
> >
> >
> > Time to move to NetBSD? ;)
> >
> > -derek
> >
> > "Neulinger, Nathan" <nneul@umr.edu> writes:
> >
> > > FYI.
> > >
> > > Oh well... I wanted a good reason to push for dropping
> > campus support
> > > for HP-UX anyway. This is a pretty damn good one in my book.
> > >
> > > -- Nathan
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu
> > > University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841
> > > Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3) [mailto:wayne_west@hp.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:21 AM
> > > To: Neulinger, Nathan; Bruce Perens; grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com;
> > > acmeyer@fc.hp.com; PERENS,BRUCE (HP-FtCollins,ex1); GRINDELAND,DAVE
> > > (HP-FtCollins,unix1); WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3)
> > > Subject: RE: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)
> > >
> > >
> > > Without going into all of the details, I need to put this
> > issue to rest.
> > > There were several discussions with the lab owners of HP-UX
> > as well as
> > > very
> > > high level management. All of this came out of discussions
> > with Transarc
> > > who
> > > had also requested source to finish their port to 11i. It
> > was determined
> > > that there is IP in the reqested files and that the code
> > would not be
> > > turned
> > > over to Transarc or the Open source community.
> > >
> > > So the bottom line is that there will not be a release of
> > the code to
> > > Open
> > > Source. Sorry for the bad news, but management believes it is not in
> > > HP's
> > > best interest to do so.
> > >
> > > Wayne West
> > > Solution Specialist
> > > Advanced Technology Group
> > > Hewlett-Packard Co.
> > > 1711 W. Greentree Drive, Suite 111
> > > Tempe, AZ 85284
> > > (480) 293-2548 Direct
> > > (480) 293-2431 Fax
> > > Wayne_West@hp.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nathan Neulinger [mailto:nneul@umr.edu]
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:47 PM
> > > To: Bruce Perens; grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com; acmeyer@fc.hp.com;
> > > bruce_perens@hp.com; dave_grindeland@hp.com; wayne_west@hp.com
> > > Subject: VFS/VM headers for HP-UX (was [parisc-linux] Mozilla)
> > >
> > >
> > > FYI in case it helps narrow down exactly what we were looking for:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Neulinger, Nathan wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok. Is there anyone at HP that you/IBM/CoE/etc. has been
> > > talking
> > > to
> > > that
> > > > is aware of this? i.e. someone that would be able to say
> > > "Yeah,
> > > they
> > > > want this piece here, this is why we haven't been giving it to
> > > them..."
> > >
> > > IBM doesn't care.
> > > They have what they need.
> > >
> > > "GRINDELAND,DAVE (HP-FtCollins,unix1)" <dave_grindeland@hp.com>
> > > "WEST,WAYNE (HP-USA,ex3)" <wayne_west@hp.com>
> > >
> > > Dave was supposed to be "working on it" in October.
> > >
> > > Bruce, any help you can provide in this area would be greatly
> > > appreciated!
> > >
> > > -- Nathan
> > >
> > > "Neulinger, Nathan" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wouldn't tend to think so, VFS not VxFS... Unless HP-UX's core
> > > > in-kernel filesystem interfaces are written by veritas, I
> > would think
> > > it
> > > > wouldn't be veritas's code.
> > > >
> > > > -- Nathan
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu
> > > > University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841
> > > > Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Bruce Perens [mailto:bruce@perens.com]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:06 PM
> > > > > To: grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com; Neulinger, Nathan
> > > > > Cc: acmeyer@fc.hp.com; bruce_perens@hp.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sometimes this is third-party code not owned by HP. If it
> > > > > comes from Veritas, we're
> > > > > probably hosed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruce
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Grant Grundler [mailto:grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:02 PM
> > > > > To: Neulinger, Nathan
> > > > > Cc: acmeyer@fc.hp.com; bruce_perens@hp.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Mozilla, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Neulinger, Nathan" wrote:
> > > > > > This isn't really related to parisc-linux, but do you think
> > > > > there is any
> > > > > > chance you could help along the cause of getting the
> > information
> > > the
> > > > > > OpenAFS project needs to re-enable support for HP-UX kernel
> > > > > filesystem
> > > > > > development?
> > > > >
> > > > > maybe...there is a group of folks interested in supporting open
> > > source
> > > > > projects and I'd really need to point you to one of them.
> > > >
> > > > I'd be very interested in getting in contact with them.
> > > >
> > > > > > Transarc AFS had full support for HP-UX, but it was not
> > > > > included due to
> > > > > > legal restrictions.
> > > > >
> > > > > bah...this is something that Bruce Perens doesn't like to hear.
> > > >
> > > > It really was a shame. OpenAFS has really taken off and
> > supports quite
> > > a
> > > > bit more than Transarc's, but for HP-UX only, it took a
> > step backwards
> > > > from supported, to not supported. (Transarc's closed
> > binaries still
> > > > support HP-UX, but the open-source version doesn't.)
> > > >
> > > > > > I can try to get more specific info, but things like
> > the headers
> > > for
> > > > > > definitions of vfspage_t, k_off_t, and other related kernel
> > > > > definitions.
> > > > >
> > > > > If those are only visibile to HPUX kernel and sources a
> > full source
> > > > > tree to see, then it's possible but harder. If you can
> > find those
> > > > > things in publicly visible source files, then I was under the
> > > > > impression
> > > > > it's ok to "leverage".
> > > > >
> > > > > It might be easier to go back to the code that's under legal
> > > > > restrictions
> > > > > and review if that's really necessary (ie can be
> > removed or is no
> > > > > longer sensitive IP).
> > > >
> > > > It's possible, I wouldn't think that definitions of
> > interfaces would
> > > be
> > > > too sensitive. (Unless you're MS of course.)
> > > >
> > > > Anything you can pass along or direct me to would be great.
> > > >
> > > > -- Nathan
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu
> > > University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841
> > > Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216
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> > Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory
> > Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB)
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Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory
Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB)
URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH
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