[OpenAFS] any experiences with OpenAFS client on the upcoming
MacOS 10.10 (yosemite) release?
Jeffrey Altman
jaltman@secure-endpoints.com
Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:10:01 -0400
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Stephen,
I spoke up because Ben asked if my companies would be willing to sign
the OSX installers since we sign the Windows installers. I explained
why we sign the Windows installers but not others. I would much rather
not be signing the Windows installers but do so knowing that the OpenAFS
Foundation is not currently in a position to take over the responsibility=
=2E
The legal liability issues is a subject that I have raised since joining
the Elders. It was one of the reasons we wanted a stand alone
incorporated Foundation instead of an unincorporated association which
is how OpenAFS operates today. Being able to sign binaries is also one
of the reasons that we could not make use of one of the open source
umbrella organizations since those organizations cannot isolate
liability risks between projects.
Jeffrey Altman
On 10/21/2014 12:23 PM, Stephen Joyce wrote:
> Jeffrey,
>=20
> I'd like to learn more about this. However since you sell a proprietary=
> fork of OpenAFS, it's difficult to discount your possible incentive to
> spread FUD regarding OpenAFS.
>=20
> Therefore can you provide URIs with specific information to educate me
> (and possibly others) regarding these contractual obligations related t=
o
> binary signing?
>=20
> Thanks in advance!
>=20
> Cheers,
> Stephen
>=20
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Jeffrey Altman wrote:
>=20
>> The use Microsoft cross-signed certificates and Apple signing
>> certificates come with contractual obligations specifying the
>> circumstances under which signatures may be used. A signature is not
>> simply a method of proving that code has not been altered. A signatur=
e
>> is an indication to a customer that all of the terms of use which migh=
t
>> include design requirements, QA requirements, certification
>> requirements, licensing requirements, etc. are satisfied by the signed=
>> binary.
>>
>> Using a Microsoft or Apple signing certificate is not the same as
>> signing an object with your own self-generated cert. The certificates=
>> are trusted by the kernel and do not require subsequent online
>> validation.
>>
>> Jeffrey Altman
>>
>>
>> On 10/21/2014 1:37 AM, Mattias Pantzare wrote:
>>> Why would signing of binaries imply anything more that just generate =
the
>>> binaries without signing? The only thing that signing anything adds i=
t a
>>> way to prove that nothing has been altered.
>>>
>>> You are just as open for lawsuits without signing, the only differenc=
e
>>> is that you can trace the right source more easily with the signing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Jeffrey Altman
>>> <jaltman@secure-endpoints.com <mailto:jaltman@secure-endpoints.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/20/2014 3:40 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Some individual or organization will need to step forward to do
>>> that
>>> > signing; I do not believe that there is an "OpenAFS" organizatio=
n
>>> > currently able or prepared to do so. (Perhaps the Foundation
>>> could, but I
>>> > am not sure.)
>>>
>>> The correct entity to do so for OSX and Microsoft Windows and any=
>>> other
>>> platform for which OpenAFS.org will distribute signed binaries is=
>>> the
>>> OpenAFS Foundation. Signing binaries implies an acceptance of
>>> liability
>>> if those binaries were to cause harm. The OpenAFS Foundation
>>> should not
>>> sign binaries until it has appropriate insurance coverage in
>>> place to
>>> protect the release team and the developers that
>>> contribute to the release.
>>>
>>> Your File System Inc. currently signs the Windows installers beca=
use
>>> those packages are predominantly a product of YFSI developers and=
>>> it has
>>> the appropriate General and Errors and Omissions insurance
>>> policies in
>>> place to cover any lawsuits that might be initiated.
>>>
>>> Jeffrey Altman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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