[OpenAFS] OpenAFS Windows build environment

Tue, 14 Feb 2017 11:51:19 -0500

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On 2/14/2017 7:37 AM, Kostas Liakakis wrote:
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> Hi Jeffrey,
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> Thanks for taking the time to answer. Please read below inline.
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> On 2017-02-14 03:53, Jeffrey Altman wrote:
>> They are built with WiX 3.9 scripts.  The
>> installation packaging in the OpenAFS tree can no longer be used.
> I see. So I'll switch to a later version as Ben suggested and see what
> happens. Hopefully we won't have to reinvent the wheel.

The WiX 2.0 scripts cannot be used.  Someone will have to write a new
installer.

>> As a reminder, the 1.7.3301 installers that AuriStor, Inc. distributes=

>>
>>   https://www.auristor.com/openafs/client-installer/
>>
>> can be installed on Windows 10 and Windows Server 2016 because they ar=
e
>> grand-fathered.  If the same sources were built today they would not
>> produce a working file system.
>
> This statement is a bit disturbing.

But should not be surprising since I gave the community plenty of warning=
:

https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-info/2015-March/041324.html
https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-info/2015-April/041325.html
https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-info/2015-April/041328.html
https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-info/2015-April/041330.html
https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-info/2015-April/041332.html
https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-info/2015-June/041392.html
https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-info/2015-July/041449.html

http://workshop.openafs.org/afsbpw15/talks/thursday/AFS-on-Windows-AFSBPW=
15.pdf

http://workshop.openafs.org/afsbpw15/talks/friday/Securing_The_OS.pdf

> Do you mean that given the state of things, even if Windows buildbots
> start springing back to life and binaries for current OpenAFS versions
> become available, no later version than the already built and signed
> 1.7.3301 can be installed on Win10 and later? Will Win7 be ok at least?=

I've answered these questions in the e-mails and presentations listed abo=
ve.

> Do you consider the whole effort to revive the Windows port is in vain?=

In April 2015 I provided estimates of what I believe the on-going costs
are for obtaining and maintaining a Microsoft signature for a file
system.  (Second link above.)

Last week I attended IFS PlugFest 29. Microsoft is serious about
improving the reliability of Windows and its resistance to root kits,
ransomeware, and other forms of malware.  Each year the requirements
that driver vendors must satisfy become more demanding.

 * Mandatory to implement functionality

 * Mandatory to use build chains

 * Mandatory to submit testing reports for each OS variant on which the
   driver might be installed

 * Mandatory use of EV code signing certificates

The challenge for the OpenAFS community is that the requirements cannot
be satisfied simply by compiling the Windows client with the latest tool
chains.  The mandatory to implement functionality requires support from
AFS (VL, FILE, RX, ...) that simply does not exist today.  With the
release of Windows 10 Creators Update the bar will be raised once again.

> Or is there something the the Foundation is planning to do in order to
> move forward again on the Windows platform?

I am not a member of the Foundation Board.  Their minutes can be
reviewed at

  http://www.openafsfoundation.org/about/minutes/

Perhaps a board member could comment on their plans.

Jeffrey Altman

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